[BrianWall-ChessList] Duwayne Langseth, Email #4, on I need a TD ruling [1 Attachment]

[Brian Wall]

----- Forwarded message from DuWayne Langseth <duwaynelangseth at hotmail.com>
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    Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:32:53 -0600
    From: DuWayne Langseth <duwaynelangseth at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: DuWayne Langseth <duwaynelangseth at hotmail.com>
 Subject: RE: [BrianWallChess] Damian Nash on I need a TD ruling [1 Attachment]
      To: Brian Wall <brianwallchess3 at taom.com>






Brian,



The TD Tip in 14h2d forbids asking for replacement of

one clock for another, rather than correcting the settings

of the clock in use.



The rules do give examples of instances when the clock

should be replaced and others when the clock settings

need to be corrected.  To say that the clock can never

be corrected once the game starts, would discount times

for instance, when the delay was set absurdly high, say

at 2 minutes per move.  Clearly in such a case, the TD

would correct the setting.  Other examples demonstrating

that the settings should be corrected are provided in

Section 16.



DuWayne



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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:33:14 -0600
Subject: [BrianWallChess] Damian Nash on I need a TD ruling [1 Attachment]




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Apparently Patrick could have claimed a draw based on insufficient losing
chances because of sudden death rules. Then his opponent could accept the draw
or risk losing with a new delay.

Duwayne says a clock set wrong should be corrected when discovered, Damian says
a clock cannot be changed once the game starts.

Duwayne and Damian both say the clock can be changed after a sudden death time
control draw calim with less than 2 minutes of the clock.

BW
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Damian Nash

----- Forwarded message from chess at krusemer.com -----
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: chess at krusemer.com
Reply-To: chess at krusemer.com
Subject: Re: I need a TD ruling
To: Brian Wall <brianwallchess3 at taom.com>

Hi Brian. Â

A very similar situation occurred last weekend on one of the top boards at the
Santa Fe Open, which I directed.   The higher-rated player had a winning
endgame but only seconds left on his analog clock. Â  His opponent, who had
plenty of time left, turned down a draw offer, expecting to win the time
scramble. Â  I stood by watching, unable to interfere with the game, but
knowing that the player in the dire situation could make a legitimate claim, if
only he knew how to. Â  After the game (a draw by perpetual) I educated him
about what he could have done:

1) Stop the clocks and make a claim of a draw based on "insufficient losing
chances" (Section 14H of the USCF rule book).

2) The TD would not be able to adjudicate the game, because there were still too
many complexities in the position, ruling the outcome is "unclear."

3) The TD would then be required to follow the procedure to resolve the
situation, addressed in rule 14H2a (because digital clocks were readily
available at that point).

4) The game would continue with a digital clock (with delay) substituted for the
analog clock. Â

5)Â  Important note:Â Â  Half the claimants time would be removed from his
clock.   So, instead of 10-seconds on an analog clock, he would now have
5-seconds on a digital clock, but with an extra 5-seconds per move because of
the delay feature.

6) His opponent would then have to decide either to accept the draw offered
through the claim or to risk losing a lost position.

The player in Santa Fe did not follow this procedure because of a complicating
factor,  one that he was already aware of.   There is a "TD Tip" following
section 14H2d that states:

"There is no rule allowing players, after the game has started, to ask for a
properly set delay clock to be placed on their game, which would replace an
analog clock or delay clock not set properly." Â

Alas, this very experienced tournament player had remembered this much of the
rulebook, but not the sentences which immediately follow: Â  "... Only a TD can
initiate placing a clock with time delay capabilities on a game after a 14H
claim [draw by insufficient losing chances] has been made... As a result, the
player wishing to place a delay clock on the game must first make a 14H claim."

I hope this clarifies what your friend in Florida, and the TD, should have done
in his situation.   Please share this information with your list.  It helps
everyone if tournament players are clear about the rules!

Damian Nash
USCF Senior TD
Moab, Utah

PS -- as an aside, the player in question, who is a friend of mine and whom I
like very much, lost a game that he shouldn't have lost because the flag fell
on his analog clock.  Then came the game I used in this example, where he drew
a game which he should have won, again because of the analog clock. Â  I believe
he could have gone 3.5/4 and won the Santa Fe Open if only he didn't insist on
using his own, ancient, analog clock!! Â  But as we all know, time pressure
stimulates the adrenal glands, and for some the rush of adrenaline seems to be
unconsciously more important than the victory.   Chess players are mysterious
creatures!   Buy a digital clock, people!   :)

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Brian Wall <brianwallchess3 at taom.com> wrote:

From: Brian Wall <brianwallchess3 at taom.com>
Subject: [BrianWall-ChessList] I need a TD ruling
To: Kledzian at mfi.net, BrianWallChess at Yahoogroups.com,
Chess_Improvement at Yahoogroups.com, "Brian Wall Chesslist"
<brianwall-chesslist at lists.taom.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 12:09 PM

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I have some TDs on my mailing list so I would like an objective opinion.

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Kevin R. Ledzian is a Denver born 1500 that lost to Danielle Rice I believe in
the 2008 Florida Open.

His son had a winning position in the 2009 Florida Championship but noticed that
his own clock was set incorrectly with no delay or increment. He didn't notice
this until he was almost out of time, similar to the Tyler Hughes-Philipp
Ponomarev time dispute a few years ago.

This also happened to poor Robert Ramirez against me in the 2007 CO Closed.
I think he lost on time before he noticed there was not a delay like there was
supposed to be. Ironically he had to appeal to the person who had set my clock,
Dean Brown.

At this point Kevin's son was willing to settle for a draw but the TD said no
and restarted his clock after which he lost on time in a few moves in a winning
position.

Is there any official USCF policy about what happens when it is noticed -
during, after or right near the the end of a game that the delay or increment
has not been set up correctly. This is a fairly common situation and clear rules
should be passed. Also what about claiming no losing chances in a won position
with a few second left.

Brian Wall

except from Kevin Ledzian's email

Kevin Ledzian <Kledzian at mfi.net>

This TD did not have a copy of the rule book, which I believe is a violation.

Patrick stated that he wanted to immediately appeal the floor TD’s decision,
and
was told “no, no, no…not possible.”  I believe denying an appeal is a
violation.
The floor TD then unpaused the clock before Patrick was even seated.  Patrick
blitzed out a few moves in a won position before flagging.  He was distraught.
Patrick then sought out the chief TD (Blas Lugo) on his own, and was told
nothing could be done because the game was over.

Kevin Ledzian <Kledzian at mfi.net>

Thanks,

Kevin R. Ledzian


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