[BrianWall-ChessList] Jerry Maier weighs in - 50 Move Rule/TD Counts/Assists

[Brian Wall]

Often Chessmasters know more then TDs because this is our business. I believe
Matthew O' Hara is wrong that previous moves towards a 50 move rule claim are
invalid when the TD takes over. I believe TD Jerry Maier is wrong when he
claims a TD or deputy keeping score at the player's behest under blitz duress
( under 5 minutes, under one minute like me ) would invalidate the player's
claims to three-fold repetition and 50 move rule. Can anyone further elucidate,
please?

Brian Wall
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Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew OHara <oharamd at sbcglobal.net>
To: Brian Wall <BrianWallChess3 at Taom.com>
Subject: Re: [BrianWallChess] Klaus Johnson - TD counting moves

I would like to weigh in on the 50-move rule question. I looked it up at the
Arvada library and found it on p 47, rule 14f4. The rule, loosely paraphrased,
says that a player may invoke the 50 move rule by stopping the clocks and
telling the director that he intends to claim a 50 move draw. The tournament
director may appoint a deputy to count the moves or count himself. Of course
the player can not claim any prior moves toward the 50 count. From my
recollection the td has discretion in whether or not to assist the player in
making the claim(counting the moves)

Matthew O' Hara
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Jerry Maier



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    Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:44:12 -0400
    From: pmjer77 at aim.com
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 Subject: 50 Move Rule/TD Counts/Assists
      To: BrianWallChess3 at taom.com


Hi All,

Just a point of clarification. The phrase "Of course
the player can not claim any prior moves toward the 50 count" is incorrect.
5th Edition Rulebook, pg 47, 14F4, (a) If the director or the deputy will count
moves, the count should begin by crediting moves already made and listed on the
scoresheet of the player intending to claim. An opponent who believes a
different number of moves have?been made should present this case if and when
the count reaches 50.??

In prior emails between myself and the USCF, the TD is allowed to keep score to
keep a record for posterity, but claims may not be made on the basis of the TD
keeping score.??Players give up that right when?the player?stops taking
responsibility for that aspect of?his or her?game. Happy chess playing!


Jerry Maier
Mobile: ? ?719.660.5531
Home/FAX: ?719.268.6970
E-mail: ? ?pmjer77 at aim.com

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