[BrianWall-ChessList] Greg Steele responds to - Grandmaster Fishing Poled!

[Brian Wall]

Brian Wall

[Event "ICC tourney 776 (3 0)"]
 [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
 [Date "2007.08.07"]
 [Round "2"]
 [White "atyosztar"]
 [Black "brianwall"]
 [Result "0-1"]
 [ICCResult "White resigns"]
 [WhiteElo "2619"]
 [BlackElo "2228"]
 [Opening "Ruy Lopez: Berlin defense"]
 [ECO "C65"]
 [NIC "RL.07"]
 [Time "18:15:30"]
 [TimeControl "180+0"]

 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. Qe2 Bc5 5. O-O d6 6. c3 a6 7. Bxc6+ bxc6
 8. d4 exd4 9. cxd4 Bb6 10. Bg5 h6 11. e5 hxg5 12. exf6+ Kf8 13. fxg7+ Kxg7
 14. Nc3 g4 15. Nd2 Qh4 16. h3 Bxd4 17. Qe4 Bb6 18. Nc4 gxh3 19. Qxh4 Rxh4
 20. Nxb6 cxb6 21. g3 Rb4 22. b3 d5 23. Kh2 Be6 24. Ne2 a5 25. Nc3 d4 26.
 Na4
 c5 27. Rfe1 Rd8 28. Rac1 c4 29. Nb2 cxb3 30. Nd3 b2 31. Rb1 Bxa2 32. Rxb2
 Rxb2 33. Nxb2 d3 34. Kxh3 d2 35. Ra1 Bb3 36. Nd1 Bxd1 37. Rxd1 a4 38. Kg4
 a3
 39. Kf3 b5 40. Ke2 b4 41. Ra1 b3 42. Kd1 b2 {White resigns} 0-1

atyosztar
Name : Attila Czebe
 Groups : GMs

[Event "RUS-ch02"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "1901.01.08"]
[Round "13"]
[White "Chigorin,Mikhail"]
[Black "Grigoriev,B"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C65"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Qe2 Bc5 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 Qd4 7.Nd3 Bb6 8.f3 Be6
9.Nf2 h5 10.d3 0-0-0 11.Nc3 h4 12.Ncd1 Nh5 13.c3 Qf6 14.d4 g5 15.Ne3 Qg7 16.Qc2
Rhe8
17.Bd2 c5 18.d5 Bd7 19.c4 Qd4 20.0-0-0 Nf4 21.Kb1 Nxg2 22.Neg4 Qg7 23.Rhg1 Nf4
24.Bc3 Qg6
25.Ne5 Qg8 26.Nxd7 Rxd7 27.Bf6  1-0

[Event "Monte Carlo"]
[Site "Monte Carlo"]
[Date "1902.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Chigorin,Mikhail"]
[Black "Mortimer,James"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C65"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Qe2 Bc5 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 Qd4 7.Nd3 Bb6 8.f3 0-0
9.Nf2 Nh5 10.d3 f5 11.Nc3 fxe4 12.Nfxe4 Bf5 13.Nd1 Bxe4 14.dxe4 Nf4 15.Bxf4 Rxf4
16.c3 Qf6
17.Nf2 Rf8 18.Nd3 Rh4 19.g3 Rh5 20.f4 Ra5 21.Ne5 Rxe5 22.fxe5 Bf2+ 23.Kf1 Qxe5
24.Kg2 Bb6
25.Rhf1 Re8 26.Rae1 h6 27.Qf3 Qe6 28.b3 a5 29.Qf5 Qe7 30.e5 Qe6 31.g4 Bc5 32.c4
b5
33.Qxe6+ Rxe6 34.Kf3 Bd4 35.Kf4 Bxe5+ 36.Rxe5 Rf6+ 37.Rf5  1-0




On  5 B:c6  dc  6  N:e5  Qd4  7  Nd3  Bb6
8 f3!   Nh5
8 Nc3  0-0
8 a4   a5
8 e5  Nd5

8 f3 as played by Chigorin is best
and Black has many possible responses -
8  f3  0-0!  is probably best then-
Black has the two bishops, good development
and b6-bishop pressure on f2-g1-
The two bishops are usually worth half a pawn -
the nice development is worth another 1/4 pawn -
Black seems ok-
White would have to do a lot of untangling.
If you got good at it you might be able to
turn it into a winning system.

Brian Wall

Brian Wall
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Quoting Gregory Steele <gsteele62 at gmail.com>:

 Brian,

 Congratulations on a nice win, even if it was only against some "obscure"
 GM!  But I have a question.  I still play 1 e4, and I still play the Ruy.
And vs. the Berlin I play 4 Qe2.  And against 4 ... Bc5!?? I play 5 Bxc6!
dc6 6 Nxe5! and now 6 ... Qd4 7 Nd3! and it seems to me that White is up a
 pawn for nothing.  Note that if Black tries something slick to regain the
 pawn he will find himself a whole piece down.

 What I don't get is that there are many games with 4 ... Bc5, even one
 played by Kasparov.  IM Van Greet covers Qe2 systems in great deal in his
 fine Ruy repertoire book but doesn't even mention 5 Bxc6!  I can find no
 Chess Base database games with 5 Bxc6.  I don't see how Black can have any
 compensation for the missing e-pawn when White has 8 pawns and no weakness.
 The d3 knight hits the Bc5, covers f2 and can relocate at will.

 What gives?

 Publish if you like or keep it your secret but answer me at least.

 Best,

 Greg Steele